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Hebrew and Greek Without Learning Either
A walk through Genesis, the Psalms, and John, plus the key Hebrew and Greek words worth knowing. Each card is a place the English Bibles part company, and what in the Hebrew or Greek made them.
Genesis 36:31
These are the kings that reigned in Edom, before there reigned any king over the children of Israel. The comparison assumes Israel already has kings.
Genesis 36:31, in every translation this tool compares.
If a document said this was before the internet existed, you would know the writer already lived with the internet. This verse works the same way: comparing Edom's kings to a time before Israel had any assumes the writer already knew Israel's monarchy, which began generations after Moses supposedly wrote this book.
Because this verse introduces Edom's king list by comparing it to a time before Israel had kings, a comparison that only makes sense once Israel already had kings, placing at least this sentence's composition no earlier than the reign of Saul, generations after Moses.
Every version reads the comparison plainly, before there reigned any king over the children of Israel, without flagging that the sentence's own logic requires a writer living after Israel's monarchy already began.
לִפְנֵי מְלָךְ־מֶלֶךְ לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל lifney meloch melech livney Yisrael · H4427
The comparison functions the same way as the 'Canaanite was then in the land' note at Genesis 12:6, another small aside that only makes sense from a vantage point later than the events being narrated. Israel's first king, Saul, is described starting at 1 Samuel 9-10, so this verse's framing requires a writer, or at minimum an editorial note, from Saul's reign or later, a genuinely old observation among both traditional and critical commentators, not a modern critical invention.
English readers moving quickly through a genealogical list often skip past a comparative clause like this without registering that it is making a claim about the writer's own vantage point, the same kind of ordinary reading habit that, applied carefully, raises a real question about when this material was composed or edited.
Treat a comparative aside, before X had ever happened, the same way in Scripture as you would in any other historical document: as a marker of the writer's own later vantage point, not merely as background information about the events themselves.
Reading the verse as a later editorial note within an otherwise earlier Mosaic Torah treats it as a minor updating gloss. Reading it as evidence of substantially later composition or editing is the same larger claim raised at Genesis 12:6, and this verse adds independent, textually explicit support for it rather than settling the question on its own.
- The parallel authorship clue at Genesis 12:6
- Saul's kingship beginning at 1 Samuel 9-10
- The same king list format compared at 1 Chronicles 1:43-50
